tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9204080274406469.post731891746004518648..comments2023-05-27T01:23:41.984-07:00Comments on Barbaric Poetries: The Validity of the "Urban Pastoral"christopher lirettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07995726854485863726noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9204080274406469.post-81275516697130964692012-04-27T07:05:35.361-07:002012-04-27T07:05:35.361-07:00Good point. I agree that hip hop typically focuses...Good point. I agree that hip hop typically focuses more in "the people that make a society" as opposed to any kind of "physical vegetation." However I'm not sure any kind of transition occurred between the two within hip hop at any given time. Perhaps you meant that hip hop focuses on the people while other art forms are more nature-based (rather than that there was ever a transition within the single art form), which is fair to say. But again, I have a slight problem with grouping hip hop in the pastoral category for that reason. I see how ideas of the rural can be manipulated to fit an urban setting and its people, not to mention I see the value of comparing the art applying to these subjects; I only think that this manipulation is too drastic to make the stretch to group the art forms together.<br /><br />I appreciate your thoughts...it seems as though where one decides to draw the line on what gives something pastoral qualities is merely personal preference.Jamie Winebrakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03567456533586050839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9204080274406469.post-994528733422768772012-04-22T10:47:33.157-07:002012-04-22T10:47:33.157-07:00I want to bring up the fact that what we read from...I want to bring up the fact that what we read from poems or songs can never be a true relation of their (the poet or artist's) own experiences in their lives. Inevitably, a persona is being created. Thus, although it may seem as if the rapper is talking about personal subjects, it may be extended to relate to everyone in the neighborhood. From this foundation of possible universality, the rapper can possibly be attempting to capture what they consider to be the "nature" of their surroundings; such a nature may seem to be focused more in the people than actual environment, resulting in the rapper's lyrics of relationships instead of physical nature.<br /><br />Thus, I feel that a misconception may be made that nature is not talked about in hip hop, where actually the focus of nature has transitioned away from the physical vegetation to the people that make a society.B.LINTONhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08459624388636866448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9204080274406469.post-56852895989043078402012-04-15T22:40:11.594-07:002012-04-15T22:40:11.594-07:00As it was established in class, hip hop songs can ...As it was established in class, hip hop songs can be construed as a type of pastoral for the urban/city life. Times have changed dramatically since the presence of John Milton, but I don't think the progression of the pastoral has led to Hip Hop music. The works of Milton and other pastorals have progressed and inspired newer and newer generations until today, when there are still pastoral writers for the modern world. However, I think it's a coincidence that Hip Hop music is considered a pastoral. This type of "urban pastoral" portrayed in Hip Hop songs may very well be urban pastorals, but they aren't a direct transcendent from the pastorals of old since I doubt it was a direct result of pastorals. Therefore, I do agree with Jamie. "Urban Pastoral" is definitely a stretch to make a new genre. If anything, it's just a subgroup that blossomed on the side.EricDinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07171904388089263034noreply@blogger.com